and the un to provide us with shelter, water medicine or with somewhere to live so that all these people can be safe or not. the people have bygone a, waiting for that this really needed help to arrive. kindly tell ahead, i'll just see it as fast as a canadians of an order to leave their homes in the west and province of british columbia because of the threat of a fast moving wildfire. strong winds in foot. no, it's not making the plays more difficult to fight while follows the bolts effect and 7 other preferences and the government's warning of hire a normal spring and summer temperatures, meaning a greater risk of wall fox, millions of people and chub struggling to find enough to eat because of high food prices, climate change as well as rising energy costs are played a role in creating the crisis. john is rich and resources, but one of the poorest countries in the world. often it just reports something germane. food in chad has become so expensive that families are forced direction. what they eat in markets across the capital produce is plenty,

but buyers. i'm not how are them keep here to see what she could afford? the full, $36.00 us cents would buy you 2 cups of beans, but now that are in to get to one cause. she says that family must decide between eating to amuse or buying less nutritious for a trader. say that on to play the we buy from farm is s a high priced at to that the cost of transportation because of bad roads and rising energy costs for prizes was sharply yeah. inside when neighboring nigeria restricted as a practice like high fuel costs, climate change on the presence of more than 600000. so that is represent carpenters vice confusing, of what little pool is about the united nations agency, save the situation is desperate as we have already too many young people in chub

charges people on the tv on nutrition its uh, i think the failed 4 times in the last decade that we have such, such an issue with forwarding security the next 3 months, which 8 organizations describe us the lean months. i expect it to be the most difficult for people and chub, dependent done for the assistance. how many degrees i would use either jimmy. okay, that's it for me, don jordan, my colleague, carrie johnson will be here with more news on the top of the outlet doesn't go away because the news continuously announces 0 after upfront. all right, state june. bunch of watching. that's it by some of the the

palestinians flee ruffin following israel's latest assault on the guys. the strip will challenge a support of israel, who believes is really military's contacting guys. it has been just for the 1st in

march. you, as president joe biden said that an invasion of rough up would be a red line in the united states, a support for israel. so will the binding administration finally take decisive action terrain in israel. and with a growing discontent within the administration itself, have an impact on policy will be asking those questions to a former spokesperson for the us state department. last week became the 1st career diplomat to reside in protest of bite and support phrase room. this was headliner, colorado the hello. all right, thank you so much for joining us upfront. thank you so much for having the mark. how like you, you've had an extensive career in us foreign service. last week you became the 1st career diplomat to resign over the united states as policies toward israel, particularly the continued assault on guys of now israel siege, of course,

has led to the depth of more than 34000 people. and it's destroyed much of the territory. after 18 years in the state department. how did you arrive at this decision? honestly, mark, it was an agonizing decision i never intended to resign. when i joined the foreign service, i expected it to be my career for the rest of my life, really until retirement. but unfortunately, presidents cause a policy made it absolutely impossible. it was an indefensible policy. and it's, it's a violation of international law of domestic law. and then the conscience, i could not continue amplifying this policy because for one it hurt us national security interest. and i was able to document that and it was clear that that was the case throughout the air world. it was also causing a generational cycle of violets as you noted the devastation for the palestinians, but also it failed to achieve any objectives to keep as really safer or get the hostages back. it was a field militaristic policy, it continues to be

a field policy, and i could not in good conscience, stay within the system and promote this policy. israel has begun its invasion of the southern guys, a city of about 5 in march. you as president joe biden had called rafa invasion, a red line for the united states that it was a step to bar. that would prompt the us response. now the is your eyes crossed the red line? do you think that the, by the ministration is going to change it's current stance? i certainly hope so. and i have to say that benjamin netanyahu announced the invasion of the house, right after secretary blinking was wheeled up from his trip into israel, where he again reiterated the us position, that they should not go into the 5 considering the civilian population. but this is the frustration that's been with this policy this entire time. it's been just words

and diplomacy as an arts, and you have to use your leverage and we haven't used any of the leverage that we have on as well. and so it is time now for president biden to take action. words are no longer sufficient. now is the time to leverage our influence by conditioning military aid at the very least, putting a sense of weaponry in line with us law. you know, at this point, there are many people who will look at the recent developments. for example, this week it was reported as the us as halted the delivery of munitions to israel. the people who say, well, this is just a superficial move where this is just public relations that they're still going to try it out. those talking points that you mentioned that there are, that there's still to be empty, promises and link uh, you know, statements about biden's back door debates with nothing yahoo, but at the end of the day, the status quote is uh, going to maintain how hopeful are you that things are changing and or, or, or,

or not. this in mark it's been, it's, it's very difficult. uh, i want to be helpful. i want to believe that they're going to take tangible steps. but at the same time, i've been in the service long enough to know that i'm not going to hold my breath until i actually see action. the whole was significant, but it was also a drop in the bucket. and it wasn't a policy shift. there continues to be rhetoric coming out of the white house and out of the department saying that we're going to continue. and we're going to amplify military assistance. now is not the time for that. the ministration needs to wake up and realize this military policy has been a failure on all fronts. have the same something to have it is in that vein, right? if it's unethical, if it's in humane all the people or die, if it is bad for us security interest, if it is bad for israel's interest is all the things you've just said. why are we

continuing with the status quote, that's the $1000000.00 question, right? because there's been ample analysis coming from the field of bits of public knowledge at this point from diplomats not just me, but from multiple sources. and even if the on the us government, i mean for every interest type for every single international organization, calling for a sustain ceasefire, yet the by didn't ministration, impose an environment himself continues to insist on this policy. our role as diploma is to provide information to washington that helps guide policy, but clearly the foreign policy is being made elsewhere. i fundamentally believe that our system domestically is, has issues. politicians should not be able to profit from war. for example, the people deciding whether or not we send military assistance to a foreign country should not be the ones also getting campaign contributions from the arms industry or from lobbying groups that represent foreign governments. as

a diploma, i have to have had to have an open book. my life was a complete open book. they know everything about us as rightly so, because we're serving the people, we're serving the country. we can't be making any profit off of our work. personally. we're doing everything we're doing for the country and for the people in the united states, it should be the same for politicians and as a diploma, i could not help the super, frustrated with the realities of our domestic political process. and it's undue influence on our foreign policy is speaking of policy, internal criticism of us policy is not necessarily new. in fact, you said before that robust discussion is what leads. 1 to change is what keeps the wheels turning it to the norm with respect to the situation in gaza. however, you've mentioned that officials are afraid to voice disagreement against that prevailing policy. why is there a kind of climate of fear around this issue, or because it's coming from the top down directly from the top down. and when

there's a situation like that, which in my age in your career has been unprecedented. it's very difficult to shift things or even provide a contrary in analysis. so when i voiced the concern repeatedly, i was silent. i was sideline. there were actions taken against me. it has a chilling effect. so when i hear about your or deal, when i hear about your resignation and the reason why i'm left to wonder and i know many people watching are left to wonder. is it even possible to change us for a policy in israel? from within the i don't want to be hopeless. we are seeing a lot of churn within the department. clearly and within the interagency, there was supposed to be a determination today from the department to congress,

whether or not as well was violating human rights. that submission has been delayed and definitely which i wonder why, but there is, there are a lot of good people in the department trying to do good work and trying to push back on the administration in ways that we're advocating for the united states at the end of the day, that's our job. we're advocating for us interest. so what our role is is to help the secretary or the president make informed decisions. and we're doing everything we can to do that. but in, at the end of the day they have, they have to make the call and they have to take action. not just change. right, right, right. thank you so much for joining us and upfront a thank you so much. 5. the israels more on gaza has been going on for 7 months and just hours after from us agree to a cease fire proposal. israel large to ground invasion and seize control of the

border crossing in or off or where within 1000000 palestinians had been sheltering . meanwhile, here in the united states, the crack down against campus protesters calling for an end to us support for israel is more on gaza. continues. students have faced violence from the police. they've been arrested, they've been suspended, and some have even been expelled. jeremy, now to discuss this is about to younger sar. guarantee is the opinion editor at newsweek and believes that is really military's conduct and gaza has been just thank you for joining us. let's talk about what's going on right now. israel has killed nearly 35000 palestinians number that includes more than a 13000 children as the head of the world food program. now has stated that then the northern guys entered a mode of full blown famine. you made the case, it is you will have the right to respond to the october 7th master techs. at this point though, do you see is real response as proportional? yeah, absolutely. um, 1st of all, the numbers that you cited we get from had asked which, you know,

has an interest in inflating the numbers. in fact, how nice itself release to report on telegram about a month ago in which it stated that it cannot account 411000 of the people that they thought had been killed. effectively reducing the number to 22000 by how mass is own count. what proportion it means is, it's not the proportion of civilian casualties on either side that we are comparing proportion and a war is the number of civilian casualties, proportionate to the operation. and when you think about the number of how mass militants, israel has killed relative to the tragic civilian casualties. it's very clear that that number is with, in the realm of what we have considered to be just war for, you know, modern history that you. so a couple of points of 1st um the,

the guys in health and ministry historically has been very accurate with its depth report. so they held up to you and numbers within 4 percent of they talked to israel's own scrutiny in the past, they fill it out to the west bank palestinian authorities a number that of course they're not friends with for math. so if it, whether it's israel, whether it's the west bank, whether it's outside international bodies, these numbers tend to be pretty accurate as far as the, the 11000 number that you mentioned. i read the telegram in english and in arabic. and it wasn't it, they couldn't account for the bodies, they just want to additional information, identifying those people. so i just wanna be clear, i want people to think that somehow somebody missing 11000 bodies in the been inflated. the numbers is no evidence of it. but to your more fundamental point, which i think is an interesting one, we've seen some things that seem to be outside the boundaries of just war. and countless human rights and servers have documented how the attacks and the guys have been somewhat indiscriminate, the residential buildings being found, schools, a refugee camps, hospitals, you know,

even journals have been targeted. how do you make sense of it? i think the word targeted there is being misused. there are always tragic tragic occurrences in any war and what we have to what we have to determine in the case of israel and gaza is, are these war crimes, or is this just more which is always horrific? yeah, there are always tragedies in war. israel requires for any military attack to independently verify pieces of intelligence to attack a building or even more so for a school or for a civilian building. um, you know, i'm curious what you think of the fact that israel has not entered a single hospital in gaza in which they did not find evidence, but how mass had been using it to a certain degree. now you might say, they've inflated the number of things they would have expected to find there. that

they said there was going to be, you know, some huge compound and that maybe they didn't find it. and some of these cases, the ones that was on the box of dates i was like, you know, if i look under a, a hospital like i ship it for example, and i see, you know, minimal evidence of, of, of, from mass presents there. it makes me say, or this isn't a military target but, but that, but there's a bigger point here that i want to get at which to your point for example, are israel's october 9th, right? when did you buy the refugee camp and killed 39 people according to the you and office of a high commission on human rights is real provided no military objective. they provided no advanced warnings. this is an example where this seems to be indiscriminate, certainly outside the boundaries of law. the vast majority of the operation has been based on not a single buttons on to independently verify pieces of evidence that a situation is used by some us in a military way. now, of course, so how would you explain this? you really referenced me 39 people's

a large number. how would you explain that this is a war right? but there was no military objective and no advanced warning or those 2, those 2 things can be defensive. um i, i'm not, i'm, i can't recall that specific event, but i can, i mean, there was even from his rails point of view, they killed 3 hostages in an accident during one of these operations. that obviously was not intentional, right? that would make sense to me, they're killing 39 people with no military objective or advanced warning seems different to me but, but let me give you another example of october 31st is really a military. everything happens when a 6th story apartment building a new the new sonata refugee camp in central guys is that one killed a 106 civilians, including 54 children, according to human rights watch. no evidence of a military target in the vicinity of the building at the time of the attack and is really far as of effort, no justification for the attack and the use of large numbers. how do we explain that? does it give you pause at least no, because you know, this is a war and in

a war you have to go on the evidence that you have on the intelligence that you are there. also you evidence, and the vast majority of israel's operations and guys that have been based on a lot of intelligence, they've significantly weak and how mazda is ability to organize and to holley against them. that you, i hear you saying the majority, but i give you another example. in february, a group of un, special respiratory is expressed their concern about the quote deliberate targeting an extra traditional killing of palestinian women and children in places where they sought refuge or while fleeing. some of them were reportedly holding white pieces of cloth when they were killed by these really army. again, they are for every sort of claim that this is a just war and that, you know, bad things happen in war. there are just numerous instances where they seem to be clear violations of the rules of war, clear violations of international law, clear war crimes being committed. is it possible that 2 things are true, right? that there are some unfortunate casualties that happened. maybe the hoss the situation that you're describing, but at the same time that also israel has committed war crimes here. and there's

probably at the end of this going to be evidence that israel has committed some more crimes. there has never been a war in which they were not work. crimes committed to that does not get to the heart of weather. this is a just war and weather is. i keep saying the vast majority of the operation has been done according to the rules of international law. but of course, there has never been a war without war crimes, and there will be evidence of those. the shooting of the 3 hostages is of course, you know, very good example of one that even i think is what i would acknowledge. so the support then a full scale investigation of is really work arms. and um, of course, i mean, why would we not, who would not want that? you'd be surprised how many guests have had one who say just the opposite. let's talk about this campus process. i'm gonna talk to that because that's obviously something is incredibly important in united states conversation right now. you refer to students protesting as quote into fido revolutionary wannabe's saying, ok, i hear you having a bit. i mean, it's an interesting try to frame you say that they are a privilege quite cast,

engaging and self indulgent nurse. it says, well, they chat and t fall to revolution, right? like, what would you, i mean, they check their check, that's their chance, right? so i'm laughing because of the one of these part because like if someone who lifted the actual empty bottle like you know, they need, it's like, i don't think that they're actually dangerous. but i think that they wish they were in a way because they chance into fall to revolution. right? that's like what, what, what do you think that mean by like vibes or um, essentially course i guess what i was curious about was you equating the anti war protests to narcissism itself and don't ask, well that's the part i'm. yeah. yeah. cuz cuz i, i'm outraged about it actually because hausteen's deserve advocates and this is not that. and the reason i know that is because i look at what doctor king did, which was appealed to the common humanity in every person and say you are like me and i am like you. and i know that together this nation is better than what we are right now in can be. and he managed to change the nation to me,

what these people are doing is the opposite. they're not showing up in saying, um, you know, the occupation is unbearable, right? how can we create a situation where israel will no longer be doing that? how can we convince the most amount of people in the us but also in israel, which is like the stakeholder here and the person who hasn't been there and see it has control over it. 8 but this is the wrong way, and here is a different path. they are not trying to appeal to the broadest swats of the american people and changed minds. they're doing the opposite. they are intentionally using extremely violent, vile, and triggering language to limit the number of people who are going to agree with their cause to limit it so that they can feel moral superiority over everyone who doesn't agree with them. and i think that that's already just a couple couple thoughts. um the, the 1st thing i think the difference with the king argument is that in okay was, was convincing his fellow citizens. yeah. medically on

a kind of civil response to a structural in just the internally, i think that's different than kings response say to the vietnam war. he wasn't challenging the campus protest when king dies. and 68, he wasn't saying we shouldn't be on college campuses purchasing the war. it was our war. we are not fighting in god a funding it though, and that's, that's that's, that's literally our deputy argue, are we the just to me that's the argument of the students are making. they're saying that we're funding it to our tax dollars. we are sending weapons, and the universities that they're at are literally investing in these real estate. and so they're calling for our divestment movement. they're saying we're complicit and we want to stop my complaints. but what we are actually doing, and this is the way the vast majority of american c a is we are helping an ally that does actual work for as a bad majority. yeah. 80 percent of americans back israel over on us here. but 55 percent disapprove of visuals wash in gaza, a 70 percent support

a permanent ceasefire. and the escalation, the bylaws does not support a permanent fees. and that's in yahoo, i support a permanent fees by use abuse not been met, but you need the war if that is not what they're talking. no, of course the boards pays. yeah. the guys crazy like that. it was the same. that is what they're saying. they're saying we like it and we want peace, but not a permanent ceasefire. everybody want to say no to that. people who believe that a permanent ceasefire is not possible because they believe that from us is perpetually violet. and that the only way they can, we can be controlled is by israel maintaining a to control and effectively in apartheid domination of all of his during power. so that's what lots of personal logs but, but again, 62 percent, believe it and u. s. commission, hot weapons shipments, the israel until israel stops the attack in regards to the o, it's intel, israel stops. the question was, should america? i mean, the, the pull that i thought should america cease halls, shipments of weapons to israel until israel stops hosting humanitarian aid. we

don't all read the trick that's just not accurate. i'll read the questions. okay, that is the study that i saw with. there's 2 more than one study in the one i read and i'm calling from says do you think that the us should stop weapon shipments, the israel until israel discontinued? it's a tax on the people of guys that input and 52 percent said yes because the 27 percent on the people of gauze are they are on how mass and how nice is infrastructure and how mass militants. but then they're there been other people who have, who have made the claim that we're not at war with, from as wet war with the state of guys. we're at war with the palestinian people say stupid things. i mean, yeah, but somehow more in it, people in got people in our government phase different things the john bolton, for example, we can't just tell people like crazy things if you're the, if you're the architect a foreign policy that's different. i'm telling people in the cabinet are saying this stuff. yeah, you have to show that it's had an actual impact on the way that the war is being executed. and what i did earlier i, i showed all the different, the refugee camps, the hospitals, the indiscriminate strikes that are killing, you know,

dozens of people. i'm just going to give you an example here. a retired major general uh, your island, also former head of national security council and the current advisor to the defense of ministers is this isn't just, i'm retired guy was just talking from his chair. he clearly stated on november 19th that the whole guys and civilian population was a legitimate target, and that quote, severe epidemics in the south of the guys district will bring victory closer. so even the epidemics and then in this, in the south, are seen as evidence of defeating the, quote unquote interviews. epidemics aren't happening just from mazda mazda. is it just carvings? a mazda is just getting 6. he said, israel is not fighting against a terrorist organization, but against the state of god, the business, the advisor to the minister of the place. you deny that how mass has a political wing that runs the state of guys. i mean, the state meaning, like the political wing of having us, here's the, here's the problem. if you say we're fighting against all of the palestinians,

they're all a legitimate target. and i'm not finding it from ask them if i, the one should say everybody's a target, i don't, but that's what it meant to it. but i don't need to defend that. i need to defend the id s operation. and for the connection between i, there is no connection between that because i know that the idea is not responding to what the square not looking at. how are it's and you start, oh, how you the do this isn't, this isn't the charge. it doesn't get off my law. this has been of advisors administer the what the idea of has done on the ground. yeah. it's a fact that they have issued millions and millions of warnings. i mean, this has never happened in the history of warfare before, where a military is literally telegraphing to the enemy, what they are about to do in order to warn civilians to get them out of harm's way . that has never happened before in the history of warfare. but a military is literally warning the enemy to protect the enemy's civilian what, what we have seen that before. we've seen it in sir, we've seen any rock,

but the degree of at the really, the great and i was, i was respect your initial claim which, that no, my armies ever done. what the 2 millions and millions and millions of messages, warnings, multiple warnings, literally allowing their targets to escape to protect the civilian population. i mean, does that not have any merit with you? do not think that's deserving of like it's like recognition that people should recognize that that happens. so. so i think this isn't extraordinary to get to, to allow civilian populations to normally the extent to which the idea of go with is extraordinary. all right, well unfortunately we're added to ads, so we have to leave it there by to under start on. thank you so much for joining me on upfront. everybody. that's our show upfront. we'll be back the

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