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welcome at particular our welcome to c-span and to all of our friends who've joined online. this is an exceedingly important topic of discussion in a nation that is beset beset with a lot of exceedingly important topics for discussion, because you see if we get this topic right and we are eventually going get this topic of combating marxism right, then we're going to succeed in taking back this wonderful republic and it's a great privilege for me not only to make some introductions. our speakers today, but to work with them. i get to work with mike gonzales full time. i get to work with katie gorka part time and often am graced with the presence. my friend sebastian gorka, who does such great job being an

american. the importance of this book cannot be overstated. and the reason i say that isn't really just because i'm president heritage foundation, it's because i once was the lone christian faculty member in the entire faculty of the college of arts and sciences at a major public research university in the southwest. the only one which says something about recruitment and this is a long time ago, as you can tell from the lack of hair on my head. now i'm a cheerful guy, a forgiving fellow, and so i tolerated them, but they didn't tolerate me and they didn't tolerate me because they hated what i for and what i stand is what the vast majority of common sense americans every day, which

going to work raising a family, some them starting businesses, some of them happily working at other businesses of them working in nonprofits and governments. in other words, what marxists have attempted to do over the last century isn't just wars, but corrode and deteriorate the health our institutions every single institution of any consequence in this country. and it takes heroism, tremendous, to fight back against. what i love about this book and what i love about the personal witness of each of these panelists today and their respective work is, their willingness to call out the of the marxist ideal, but very importantly in heritage, fashion to articulate the playbook for taking back every one of those institutions. so for any marxist watching this

you ought to be scared, feel good. it's a privilege. welcome to the stage mike gonzalez. katie and sebastian gorka. please join me in welcoming them here because i to be at the end. thank you. welcome, everybody thanks for coming and especially i think with the people in the room and people online. we put in like a thousand people watching right now. so congratulations, mike and katie. i'm going to get my note caught out. it's a very good one. it's nice to have my wife back after a year of what did you call mike? second husband, right. so nice to have you back, katie. i congratulate fans on the publication of a book that could not be more timely. a was learned by both of you by me during the process. let's start with those momentous days. 1989. those of us who were old enough remember it well.

november 9th, the fall of the berlin wall, just year and a half after reagan said, tear, it's down. that's when you know speeches matter. literally a year and a half afterwards, people of the captive nation of east germany with their hands with took down the berlin wall. however, at the same mike found an article had been published by felicity berenger, which is a very different take on the events of 1989. you introduced that article to me, katie, would say what was shocking about? berenger this article and why it really is the preface to this new yeah, sure. so you know, one of the reasons that we wanted to write the book was we wanted to understand how we've gotten to where we are. and i thought, you know, mike's found a really key clue, which was this article from 1989 written i think published couple several months before the fall of the berlin wall, where

felicity barringer wrote in the new york times that marxism had gone in u.s. colleges. marxism had gone and been accepted. and she's writing that in 1989, 1989. and what's so interesting about that is that anybody who wasn't a marxist but understood the threat of marxism we were all looking elsewhere right. we were all looking either at china in tiananmen square, you you were actually in hong kong or we were looking at central and eastern europe and the former soviet union. we thought we had won. and here was this whole drama on in the united states that nobody had their eyes. and i'll just mention two other key things that happened in that same year that we kind of missed. one was that was the year that critical race theory came into being. that was the year of the conference where critical race theory was and the group came together. and then the other thing is it

all also happens to be the year that eric mann. right. former sds member, former weather underground formed his late, his basically his organizing organization in los angeles. so you have all these pieces that come together and these are very to how we've gotten to where we are today. for those who aren't with eric mann, you wrote the seminal work on black lives matter. mike. so can you take us from 89 to today and explain why this is next gen marxism and who mann is and why for example, blm and antifa fit into this story? yeah, thanks. thanks for that question and thank you all for being here, by the way. i'm kidding. i'm a very, you know, very happy that you competing against museums in so many other great places you're in washington to. thank you very much for being here. one of the things i've found about the barringer is that she herself says this is a former moscow reporter, the new york times. and all this, she says, know

what's odd is that it's coming. marxism is feeling in eastern europe, but it's succeeding on us campuses. so she she draws the contrast and she sees she does something else that is very interesting. she said but it's not it's you imagine marxism to be resurgent in the economic departments but it's not it's not economics they they are resurgent in the humanities and the law faculties. so she is is yes as a reporters i and is seeing a trend that as katie says very very important to the to the future eric man. i was having lunch i don't want to drop names as a typical washington pastime but is having lunch with a guy if thought leader in the democratic party a guy who's been a leftist all his life, he's a great guy. he's been tapped out. so i don't want to mention his name, but he said to me, why won't we more people not talk about eric? man? why does he only preoccupy you and me?

because eric, man is is a key figure, right not only is he a former terrorist and i guess i don't know, i always find it weird to say former terrorist, but i think your terror is terror is like a marine. you're right. unfortunately, i'm a even though i haven't been a journalist in years, you but he he then as katie said he he establishes his labor strategy center in l.a., which is really a marxist preparatory. and by the way, in about decade after that, he recruits patrisse cullors and. this this is the word he uses. he writes a book in 2011. and by the way, you all this is all open source. the new york times doesn't bother to look into these things, but you can. his book, published in 2011, says he recruits brilliant, brilliant organizer so by the name of patrisse cullors at the tender of 17. so he recruits and that would

make it about 9098 and he writes it in such an 11. nothing has happened trayvon martin yet. and you know he hasn't met with george zimmerman. this is the catalyzing event for black lives matter. but she is the co-founder. but she's sorry, right? but she's closing case. you don't know. he's one of the co-founders of black lives matter. he is also one of the organizers of the the the us social forum in atlanta in 2007. what is the u.s. reform? what there was a a world forum that was begun by a marxist by by parisian brazilian marxists about seven years earlier in the year 2000, and then a hugo chavez, you know, says in 2006 at a meeting in in venezuela in caracas, we need to establish a us beachhead and i, i really have to give credit to ariel shean who's sitting right there the a very keen researcher in

florida who's done a lot great work on this. and i do in my book as well and in chavez says companeros companeros we need to establish a beachhead in the belly, the beast. and lo and behold in 2007 eric man is one of the on the organizing committee of the us social forum in atlanta who's also there said patrisse cullors and alicia garza, the founders of black lives. in 2000, seven years before trayvon martin ever came george zimmerman in that fateful without two individuals, there is no eric man. there is no aoc, there is no blm. and those two individuals that we must discuss for a moment are antonio gramsci. and then here in america, saul alinsky. you can talk to us about saul because you've him closely. why is gramsci the person who changes modern marxism? we are where we are today. explain his significance mark. so let me do this in 30 seconds

if i can. the run up to this. somebody wrote and i agree with it entirely that up to that you know before the russian revolution marxism was going through this marxian stage after from is it still 1970 from 2017 to 24 is the any stage after that is it still in the stage stalin dies in 53 the maoist. mao dies in 76. right after that is the gramscian age of communism. and i truly believe that we're in the gramscian age and in all the old, the luminaries, all the architects of critical race, not all of them, but the key ones cite antonio gramsci. antonio gramsci is influential in the of judith butler, who was does this sex part of this the gender part of this antonio gramsci is the one is the the the the the man who founds italy's communist party in 1921. and and he had one of the first one that that the only one but one of the key people or one of

the key cultural marxist western marxists who asks himself the question why did the italian revolution fail? i could not establish in italian soviet why did the german revolution fail? could not establish a german soviet. the reason is that the worker has bought into the cultural matrix of the the of the of the ruling class. they did the marx had said that the nation state the family private property in god needed to be abolished. he said most of those things in the manifesto. he's 1848. he says others or after the manifesto and the worker loved his family worshiped god was patriotic and loved what little private property he had. he did not want to let go of it, didn't want the state to take it away. and why is that? because marx never it work. he was the original limousine marxist. he was working away in the library in london, doing research the whole time in what a worker.

so gramsci's is the first one. i know i'm going to long, but gramsci is the first one to think that worker has false consciousness. we need to to through, through struggle sessions and by the way, sebastian always reminds me, bring it to the present. the struggle sessions are happening today. these are your anti-racist sessions that are happening. but. but his big contributions to say it's the culture, it's the culture. stupid the did the worker has bought into the cultural matrix of the rich and powerful up by the rich and powerful to win, to remain rich or powerful, we need to disabuse worker of this attachment to the culture. we need to to do to to, you know, dump all over the culture, get of it and replace it with a counterculture. so he's the first truly successful cultural marxist. he says, you know, take over from the inside that which you cannot describe, destroy the revolution. yeah, but katie, explain for us, solar the transition why is it from that hillary clinton writes her thesis on solar lynskey why

is it the only and please fact check me the only photograph you can find of the great constitutional scholar barack obama giving a lecture as a professor is him diagraming out? saul alinsky on a chalkboard is the only photograph you can find of him teaching to chicago friends. right? right. so. so why is alinsky so seminal to the next marxism birth right. so there was a very complicated with the revolutionaries the communists in the united states. there. you know, communism sort of took hold for a while. there was a time when people really thought, oh, maybe communism really is a kinder, better way of going forward. and you know we laugh now. but, you know, at the time it was quite prevalent right. but little by little people up to it, there was no workers revolution. and as mike said, workers wanted their jobs. they didn't want to overthrow. so what happens, though saul alinsky learned, this from the

communist organizers. he learns from the communist party and he takes that concept of both, but also creating a sense of victimhood and a sense of grievance to start mobilizing people and so he started in in sort of the the the slums of chicago eventually he moves on to los angeles, but he basically gave us the form of community organizing on which the left has built its current position. and you know, it's it's not only a command center. also, if you look at students for a democratic society in the 1960s, very, very important to all of this because what they eventually learned was that their revolution also failed. right. they didn't bring about the revolution they wanted so many people just kind of went on and

lived their lives. but there were two groups of leadership from that that chose another path. so one group went terrorism. they said, we're not being radical enough. they formed the weather underground. they tried terrorism. but another group said. no, we just need to organize better. and so they formed the midwestern academy and they been training people. they are still people today. they've been training people for decades. and how they're that's a big part of how they're how they've gotten to where they are today. this is so true and in fact before he died. alinsky told playboy. everybody worked with. the rats. you're nodding your head. you read that, too so if anybody who it for the articles in any book i quote alinsky where is don't want to go he's he said he said anybody the kind of work that i was doing who tells you they didn't with the rat is

lying to you. i worked with the reds. you had to work with the reds. the relevance of next gen marxism is not just to paint the history and evolution, but especially last chapter of the. so what? how do fix it and fight it here in america? but i want to open the aperture slightly and not just focus america because in the last year i learned a great deal from you, mike, and also joseph, who mirror the center for a free, secure society on how this isn't a uniquely american problem. it's not just aoc and the racist president of harvey and the transgender lunatics. this is an international phenomenon. so could you talk about the fast dating global web, especially in latin america and in spanish speaking and europe broadly of of these people who are actually organizing in a new socialist international. in fact, i have it on authority that lula, who is the

increasingly president of brazil, is in constant contact, not constant, but often enough contact with bernie sanders, aoc look what katy mentioned and talked to talked about saul alinsky when. we were, you know, figuring this book. we said what would differentiate the cultural marxism of gramsci, the people in the mid-century with next thing marx's and that is the added the addition of american pathogen such as organizing, you know al alinsky, such as the use of queer theory, the use, the obsession with race, which you find roots in cultural marxism. but it definitely on and you know steroids in the american context another is as seb brings up the use of global networks to span the globe massive marxist networks that span the globe and it is there and they help each other you know in the in the fateful year of 2020.

and the reason why america is we katie and i wrote this book because, you know, our world is changing and i used to see the expression cultural genocide and that that's not an exaggeration. we're facing the ante. and to to really change our culture of the american way of life, to which all three of us here and many of you in the audience, but all really love. and that's where we're faced with in in in one way, they want to achieve this is by meeting internally nationally between in 2020 black last matter sent out and i think 124 this is via bmg and the black last matter, global network foundation, which used to be the main blm group. they sent out something like 120 million emails and, and to to organize the protests and the over 600 riots and the people distributing these things and not that year of 2020, but in the in the run up to it was a

vast network was it distributing online and inside. it was not just americans but it was international leftists. and just to two points that i want to bring up here in us social forum in atlanta, in 2007, there was a big contingent of palestinians, 2007. and in ferguson in ferguson just a few months after the blacklivesmatter is forum that really gels in it becomes a a global a national phenomenon in ferguson there were also a big contingent of palestinians marching and in that ends in december of 2014 in 2015 in january february, patrisse cullors finds herself in the west bank with palestinians cutting videos the videos online. look them up. the new york doesn't bother to do that, but you can in and she is there protesting the day the

israeli colonists the israeli settler state and all the oppression of blacks in gaza but all the all the all the oppression taking place in gaza on the west bank. so so this international component is is impossible to disassociate. it's not an american phenomenon. it's a global it's the blm global network from this. and i just want add because i think this is super important i hear so often the right we beat ourselves and this is you know amongst the conservatives, we beat ourselves up and we say, oh, compared to the left, we're so disorganized. but look what they have and look at what we are up against. our biggest enemies are in these organizations venezuela, china, iran. i mean, there are count lists of our enemies are helping to fuel this movement us. i mean, do not be fooled these are not just your, you know, democratic housewives in the

suburbs who are making this stuff happen. so i just say, you know, on on the on the right, let's not beat ourselves up so much. but at the same time. let's understand exactly what they're doing. let's understand the way they were using organizing and let's better organize and confront that. well that can't be done without getting the book which is available outside that's signed by the i want to be cognizant of the time will take questions from the floor but two more questions for for for you here as authors on my radio show yesterday, katie, you shared your personal story of you become more politically active. and one of those issues was transition. could you tell a bit about why the transgender agenda is key to next gen marxism and also a little bit about the sexual history of the next gen marxist thinkers frankfurt school et al

and marx himself. these were, how shall we say this perverts? yeah, yeah. i, i think, look, one of the things that i think is probably been most mystifying to all of us is. how have we arrived at a point where parents are mutilating children, removing healthy tissue and condemning children to a life of infertility and ongoing treatment? and how is it have school board members signing with their hands on a stack of books include long boy and genderqueer. right it's it's just kind of mind blowing and so think for me there were there were many elements of the book that were great research because they were so eye opening. you know, the piece on the role of latin america that the turning point of 1989. but for me i think one of the most important was also looking at the theme that has been there from the beginning of sexual deviancy and wanting to throw

sexual morality and it really with rousseau and it carries right on through karl marx and. i want to give here great credit to paul kengor who just writes terrific books about who karl marx really was. and it continues right on through to people like wilhelm reich and then of mikhail fuko. what you see is interesting. there is a a very common theme. all the utopians which of which marx is one, all the utopians are themselves hard core sexual perverts or right. none of them can stay married to one person or stay faithful to one person and then go from right. and it marx did he just cheated on right. that's all i was going to say. right. and it just, you know, it really became apparent to me that their ideologies are in fact, probably an outgrowth, their own

sexuality. but it's really helpful to understand how central it is to them to destroy sexual to destroy the family. and that's why we partly why we are where we are have to destroy the family because. it's the pre-state pre political most basic institution of civil. we have here jay richards was a preeminent expert in all this and they seek it in the manifesto marx puts abolish family. they seek and they have all this is something and blm said it all they want page until annual the bastille and i wrote a story about it for the new york post and then like good marxism they are they airbrushed it out and it was 13 principles i was only 12 now because that got a big readership and the in in the new york post in july 2020. so yeah this is katie puts it very well the family is the

basic institution they have to destroy to destroy society and marx didn't even just to destroy the family he wanted to destroy marriage and he actually just wanted a community of women who would be available to their. yes as in the manifesto very very literate community of feminists in the manifesto. last question for you, mike. we are at the conservative mothership, the heritage. we are to inform policy on, the principles upon which the republic was founded. i when i ask you the impolitic question, how many people in that building just over there who actually make policy are fully aware that we are facing once more a global marxist threat and the marxists are inside america today? let me start with the good news. you should end with this. there is no, for example, jim banks, who's a member of, the house from indiana, he endorsed. my book is in the book jacket. there are many, many good people

who understand that that we are under threat from an evolved type of marxism, by the way, something we haven't discussed today is that it has evolved. it's not the economic marxism that believes revolutions are absolutely necessary. you can have a revolution. the opportunities if they if the opportunity, opportunity comes up or you can infiltrate and indoctrinate this a very important thing. and in the many people who believe in this or, who are gatekeepers of our cultural institutions i would say i'm not a marxist, but i was discussing and said show yesterday, you have a lot of people who believe in increasing taxes to throttle economic or increasing government deficit spending, to increase growth. and they never heard the words. john keynes, and yet they're keynesians. and there are many people walking around quoting shakespeare, not knowing that quoting shakespeare. so are so over there. i find it frustrating sometimes that because a lot of this has

to do ostensibly with race and sex we all know it has nothing to do with race or sex has everything to do with it. david horowitz used to say the issues are never the issue of the issues. the revolution, but it's sex, it's race, it's they don't want to touch it. they're very afraid. so. so in these cultural i don't always i find some profiles in courage. i sometimes often don't so judiciously just leave it there. the the book gen marxism isn't just descriptive historical as with anything that is really important. answer the question of so what what is to be done to quote a certain revolutionary. katie oh are you confident are we winning? will we win? give us some good news? i'm encouraged. so when i came to the heritage foundation in the beginning of 20, it was a few weeks before

the covid shutdown, which happened to with really the beginning of the parents rights movement. and so quickly got pulled into that. i was probably the lone traveler 2020. i airports to myself, but i continue traveling around the country working with different parent groups who were trying to reclaim control their children's education. i am enormously encourage urged by what i've seen in country. i mean, i look at groups like moms liberty, moms for america. those are the two big national ones, parents defunding education. but they're there are i'm telling there are thousands of around the country are coming together to, fight back, which and which didn't exist from 2020. no, which didn't exist. and i and i think you see it everywhere over multiple different issues and. i think you're also seeing groups come together over a common, you know, some of the work of fighting transgender crisis has brought left and

right together. so so i'm actually very encouraged it's time to take a victory lap. there's a lot of work to be done, but i'm with katie 100%. we to be reagan reconvene about this big night about this. the american people, they overstepped their balance in 2020. they the revolutionaries, they they they they the gatekeepers of our cultural institutions were intimidated by this enacted a raft of cultural that the american people just do not want to have. yeah, and the american need our help in making sure that they're able reject this. so i am by the way i should say this i tell you this all the time, i should say in foreign c-span a great co-writer, great coauthor. you can't do it again. i'm sorry. she's mine now. all right. questions from the floor we have a few minutes that gentlemen, the camel haircut. thank you. my name is p.k. petrov.

this was great talk. i'd like to ask you whether or not you discuss in your book. when we talk about transition from classical marxism, cultural marxism or post marxism, you might call it, which the european developments crucial, especially after the may 16th riots in france. and one of the most conspicuous between the old school of marxists and the new ones is radically different view on a productivity and growth, because in classical marxism there's this element we get. we got the difference on economics, is that the question? yeah. okay. basically my idea is that in the seventies and eighties you have the growth of what kinvara, mentalism and the green party in western europe which you now have this, this climate alarmism and this very like anti-growth degrowth, which is quite different from the differences economically between, the

marxist generations. my yeah. i mean, look you're absolutely right. and this drives all the way the, the old style marxists who still believe in the marxism. you described the new marx is called the vulgar marxist. they said that's a phrase that goes goes back to what? vulgar, vulgar, vulgar marxism goes back to 19, 26, called course. i write a book and he says this this is vulgar marxism. yeah, they don't believe it. haven't read capital or cover to cover. i've skimmed capital. i would imagine sitting down and reading capital, but but but in it marx makes a bunch of it. not just capital, but also in the manifesto, which i have read because, it's much shorter. he he says. well, the rule of the proletariat is to to the owners of capital, of the bourgeoisie. that's not true. that that the worker has zero interest in destroying the state, in abolishing the the the the new the order that had

hitherto existed as a verbatim phrase by marx, just like the work from michigan in ohio, just wanted better working conditions, but was pretty sure he didn't want to overthrow. it. marx believed that all these believes, for example, the social class you belong to was was interested related to you to the means of production where gramsci comes along as as the culture, a means of production, you know. and so so he so he liberates they not just gramsci but course max horkheimer marcuse they and by the way all these ideas and do not just stay in europe in the 1920s and thirties. they come here to flourish, they really flower here in the united states. and that's the reason where we have gen marxism. so yes, you talked i debated a canadian marxist an hour and a half and unfortunately she used a word that that we couldn't put it on the website, but she was

saying, these are not marx's gram, not a marxist. she was really insulted by the fact that i was calling these cultural marxists. they do share key things. they boiled the world down. an epic struggle between the the the the the the oppressed and the oppressor. they do want abolish the family. they do want to abolish a nation state. they have a lot of the bad traits of marx had, but they no longer are no longer economically determinist. so german in the back. i'm going. only go as can be, but on the pakistani spectrum. my question is is the best way to combat is to take care of economic disparity. i'm from pakistan and was very, very popular at one point and i remember zulfikar ali bhutto, he was a socialist and. he literally destroyed pakistan economy on the name of justice. okay. all right. it's got to be new york and the economy of california. it's literally. but thank you. is that best way to. well, i think relevant in a country like pakistan, elsewhere

where it is sort of the more traditional economic based marxism being implemented. but as mike has, it's really a very different marxism being implemented here. they're they're not i mean, yes, ultimately they want to pull down the free market economy, but there's so much more that they want the economic is not the foundation of the current marxism in the front yellow tie here please we shouldn't assume either that they're motivated by by economic injustice that their hatred of economic injustice is a lot of envy, that that they're motivated by, that we never talk about and this a great motivator. they are motivated a bunch of things, you know. well, if i add i mentioned this yesterday on the show the great rich miniter was in discussions with andrew breitbart during the occupy wall street demonstrations. and breitbart, we're going to take a videographer, a team into the occupy wall street protests and said to the andrew, have your guys ask the protesters one question. what is your relationship to

your father? i think it's not just. and what we are witnessing is self-hatred. and from obama to aoc, we are living in the most perverse of truly where we run by an elite that detests their own civilization. i mean, this is the sick, this is the perversity we are in. they hate the country. they are running. i mean, who runs for president? says, i wish to fundamentally change this country. well, then you don't love me. oh, i want to marry you. but i want to for the marriage to change wouldn't be on the couch. i'd be in the flipping house. these people hate themselves and thus project externally. question hi. thank you. i'm going to buy three of these copies, so i'll just today three. okay, so right, come on. more than three. so can you talk a little bit

about the deep state and its relationship with all of this previously state department and other organizations, they were they were in the fight against soviet and now they seem to the weapon of america in next gen marxism. and so can you talk little bit about that and how that connects to china and other things? you mean you find weird at the state department yesterday announced that countries in latin america shouldn't imprison the leaders of the opposition. you find that weird? i do. all right. as a former presidential appointee, deep state, k.t. yeah, yeah, there. absolutely up. i mean, we've seen we've seen from actually time when there was a tremendous effort to instill the ideas of dni into the department of defense and and other or government departments and agencies. it's incredible. i find really amazing, actually, and really alarming. and this is what americans should be so upset about, the

degree to which the government now uses these government agencies to push these anti american, not just un-american, anti american policies across the country to instill them. they're holding schools hostage. they're holding money hostage to the schools they're they're pushing it in absolutely every aspect of the culture. and it's this alarming. this is very alarming well, they're doing it openly. when you have the chair of the joint chiefs say it's good that west teaches crt. i don't know what it is but it's good we a problem. all right. we have time for. gentleman then and the lady that. go ahead. thank you very. i'm a university student here at american university in d.c. and i've witnessed firsthand how socialist and communist groups have usurped or, you know, attached themselves at the hip like parasites to new very

pro-palestine opinion hamas movement and it's just in the u.s. but internationally and it seems to be really shifting the focus in upcoming elections. for instance, in the u.k., where you have the communist and pro-chinese sympathizer, galloway, who just was elected parliament on the back of this. do you see this movement as another vehicle for which marxists can further? you mean the pro-hamas movement? yes. is calloway again in parliament? he was elected in muslim majority district, so. so actually i would say that they the connection is right there, but i don't say i wouldn't say that they have attach themselves this they hate israel because they us no they they they they they see in israel an extension of us when they call israel a white settler state, which is they've never been to israel i suppose it's because they call us a white settler state. so it's not that the marches

attack. oh yeah. this is pro-palestinian thing that i wanted to push myself to. no, no. they start off being anti and anti-west and judeo-christian civilization and that's the only reason they hate israel. and that's why it's coming up all the time. they're saying these pro-palestinian demonstrators are saying, no, actually, what we want is a dissolution. the united states and of the west entirely. it's like this. you want to know i just i was so shocked. i shouldn't be but i was so shocked by that quote you repost it of a pro-palestine palestinian demonstrator who was caught on tape saying, you know, isn't really about palestine this is really about hamas. this is really taking down the united states. but i'm seeing now more and more. yeah, lady over there on the edge. hello. thank you. speakers i'm half chinese from beijing and half peruvian from. and then i was born the year of

1989. so my parents fleeing from beijing to peru. but then in 1992, actually experienced the bombing. there was like the shining past bombing. i was like one block away anyway. so question is based on education system because my grandparents from my father's side is are indigenous. they are indigenous. they spoke aymara. so when i went back to lima, peru in. 1921 year christmas 21 and i went to the central bookstore in la kumar, they'll be very fancy place. i couldn't see any indigenous, you know, because amara was the official language. so through the last three years of colbert, you know, american children, there are actually dilate on their iq and iq where really behind of you know like so what's the question please. yeah, education system. so how about we catch up?

how we correct that because our children are elite, you know, mentally, emotionally. yeah you i mean fixable is the education system salvageable? i mean, i think everything's. right. i think everything's fixable. i think the education system is salvaged of all. is it different question? i mean, i kevin roberts response when you once asked him, what do we do about the universities? and he said, burn them down, you know, yeah, i quote, you know, i think it should be alarming for everybody, but that i think it's 85 or 90% of our children are still educated public schools. and when you look at the insidious influence of the teachers unions and the position that they have taken, they have fully bought into this and they fully pushing it, i don't know how any. but they send their kids to public school. but i think to the extent to the to which parents can tend to step up and take control of education, i think we're on a good path. but i will say i think in all of

this, my biggest concern remains, the universities, they just you know, it is just too, you know, for for for all of us, you know, if you can get your kid into yale, if you can your kid into harvard. yes. you want that. and you just like we're ignoring what those universities doing to our kids until we really put our foot down with the universities, i think we're we're in trouble. yeah. no, i mostly, i think we i think we need to fight for the good schools. we need to fight for the ivies. we have to reform them. i don't think we can burn them because it's too important to. and by the way, no, they're not going to take away from us. we have to fight back for them. but anyway, i agree with 99% what you said using my chairman's prerogative. i want to say you can't change them. you fire everybody. that's what. well, i'm not against that. okay. all right. thank you. ladies and gentlemen, please,

katie and mike, for some reason goes by gundy solvers on twitter katie is going to be letting always bring this up i know it's nobody's that educated in today's i went to harvard come on and at gawker katie the book is available outside the authors will stay around to answer your personal questions and to dedicate books. a thank you to dr. roberts and thanks to the heritage foundation. thanks for coming person. god bless. thank you for.